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The following oral history transcript is the result of a recorded interview with Clifford Schorer on June 6 and 7, 2018. It was amazing. And, you know, you have this big triangle already. Yes, in my subjective opinion, I'm doing those things. JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Which was great. JUDITH RICHARDS: [Laughs.] CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, in one case they were actually in the same apartment where the family had sold them from years before. And I mean, he didn't speakI don't think there were too many words spoken about much. ], JUDITH RICHARDS: At what pointat what point did you think about putting aside, possibly in storage, or selling that first Chinese porcelain collection? And so the National Gallery has our historic stock books and archive. But for me, it's the combination of the conception and the craft, so the conception is very important to me; knowing that [Guido] Reni stole his figure from the Apollo Belvedere because it was here when he was there is interesting to me and Iyou know, to find that out, if I didn't know it before, either by accident or by some kind person sharing it with me, I'myou know, it adds a layer to my experience of the art that's different from my aesthetic experience of the art. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Only well after that. TV Shows. JUDITH RICHARDS: What year would that be? Yeah, I mean, that'sthe ones who have open doors will always have my heart. But I do think it wraps human history in a way that makes it exciting, but it also can still be beautiful in those settings. JUDITH RICHARDS: Is that an interesting area for you to think about, the evolving nature of art storage? CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. So I got the job and I went to work there. CLIFFORD SCHORER: D'Albo, D, apostrophe, A-L-B-O. He's the responsible party, solely responsible. [00:04:00]. They just have both retired from us. JUDITH RICHARDS: In the yearsI guess in your late teens, early 20s, when you were collecting in the Chinese fieldwhen you were in any country that had an active market in that area, were you investigating that and thinking, and did you ever make purchases there, beyond Boston? JUDITH RICHARDS: Are you meeting other collectors? But no, I mean, it's not [00:40:05]. This was something that you were aware of. Clifford Schorer. Do you have all your collections in a database, or what kind of inventory do you keep? CLIFFORD SCHORER: They painted half a million paintings in the Dutch Netherlands between 1600 and 1650. Apart from, you can also get a full report of this person's phone number, age, address, and other info on CocoFinder. At some point. JUDITH RICHARDS: But you started out displaying these 300? Yeah, short answer is, we like a schedule of art fairs to just basically move us around geographically. So what I did was, around the same time I bought Agnew's, I also bought a restaurant chain, a franchise chain of restaurants, that would just provide a background income. I mean [00:02:00], JUDITH RICHARDS: Yeah. JUDITH RICHARDS: Oh, you were living with your mother? Or was it a matter of opportunity, that you would look at what was out there and decide what you wanted and give. arugula, potato and green bean salad . So, you know, you think about the quality of the art, but also the taste choices that one makes at any given moment in the history of the firm. I mean, my favorite type of symposia end with, you know, almost fisticuffs between scholars about attribution. JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I consider to be respectable parameters. You know, that's, CLIFFORD SCHORER: Being a good steward, yeah. JUDITH RICHARDS: So coming back to your, CLIFFORD SCHORER: family. I said, "I stand corrected." JUDITH RICHARDS: Given that you were obviously a smart child. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, I moved around quite a bit. It's the same problem. You know, there are certainly moments in the '60s and '70s when scholarship might have been a little weaker, and they missed something, but in general, right after the war, when everyone else was profiteering, the firm didn't. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes. [00:12:01], JUDITH RICHARDS: And some collectors might just be focused on the visual experience, knowing the importance artistically, but. I mean, I have a fewI have a print from a Bulgarian art show from 1890. You know, world history is told in warfare and plagues and movements of civilization, and the art tells that story, but it tells it in the abstract. [00:08:00]. [00:40:05]. You're welcome. JUDITH RICHARDS: When you're in New York, for example, what are the specific places you most love to go to look at art? And what was happening in the world at those moments that would allow a ship to come back from the Orient filled with, you know, ballastplates as ballast. JUDITH RICHARDS: And you were still living in Boston? You know, it was a million square feet of office furniture and miscellaneous things. And her father was Wilhelm Wolfgang. I lived in Montreal off and on. But he was a really interesting and strange man. I mean, it was a field where I think I probably bought 300, 350 pieces total, and over the course of probably three and a half years. [Laughs.] I don't want to do anything fancy." You know, because at the time that's not the way they thought about those things. But again, my collecting evolved. And they still associate us with the great works of art, with the quality of the art, because Agnew's obviouslyunsurpassed in theI mean, 15 percent of the National Gallery comes from Agnew's. View Details. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And Konrad Bernheimer. No, no, no. Other kinds of pitfalls that you might, CLIFFORD SCHORER: All of the above. 1-20 out of 147 LOAD MORE. JUDITH RICHARDS: Have you been involved with other arts institutions besides Worcester? CLIFFORD SCHORER: have to reach out to the field, right. And there's no further I can go. And of course, my fear about doing this as just a simple risk-taking exercisemy fear has proven to be well-founded but measured, so it's something I could wrap my arms around. Plot #10205011. And often that's not a message that's simple enough for people to understand. We love her. JUDITH RICHARDS: So this is a field where you're not cultivating auction catalogues and, CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, I mean, that's the field. Then we did the Lotte Laserstein, the Weimar German show, where we borrowed from the German state institutions for the first time ever, as I understand it, as a private gallery, borrowed from museums, Berlin specifically. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. Had you been thinking about it? CLIFFORD SCHORER: they were also a very closed set. It's Poseidon or something," you know. So there wasn't any collecting going on at that point. And I don't have that desire to have that at home, so, you know, I've been able to sort of, I guess, suppress my immune system enough that the lymphocytes are not attacking every object so I take them home [laughs], if you know what I mean. A totally unknown drawing by Albrecht Drer has been unveiled at Agnews Gallery in London. Let's see. Yeah, yeah. So I went to Spain, and I tried to buy both of the remaining paintings. Born on February 24 1836, he was well known for painting marine subjects. I never actually mentioned my age. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So I sold it all. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. You can spend as much money as you want; if you open a door, you're going to change the humidity. Were you in a kind of museum? I would saysometimes I still go over to the Natural History Museum just to poke around. So you haveyou know, you haveif you added all of that up and then inflated that with inflation, it probably still wouldn't equal one major sale today, because art inflation is actually much higher than monetary inflation. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And they decided to move to, you know, some pastoral landscape down south, not knowing at all what that meant. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's almost ready. Now, we have to be very responsive if that changes. I mean, not because it wasit was cheap. So, you know, the local cataloguesI mean, I don't remember whether it was called Skinner in those days, but I think it was Skinner all the way back. But, you know, that, to me, is all very rewarding. But I'm not going back to school." CLIFFORD SCHORER: But I just meet people and just, you know, wander around with them. "A loaf of bread is more than 29? [00:12:00]. However, the first thing I seriously collected as an adultso, age 17 comes, I start a company, and within six months I'm making money. I stopped dead in my tracks, and I stared at it, and my partner was like, "Oh!". JUDITH RICHARDS: Is there a certainand that's a kind of a new model of art storage, with viewing facilities. Pronunciation of Clifford J. Schorer with 1 audio pronunciation and more for Clifford J. Schorer. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I liked Boston, I felt that it, CLIFFORD SCHORER: it's a good city. It's a photo of her, and unfortunately, there's a lot of blue hair; there's no kids. I mean, also I thought Boston was the most European city in America. I was likethis is incredible. And Ashland is an even deeper sort of geo-politic. It's a very modern issue, because, historically, the American museum was created by private collections. I wanted to have a three-day ceratopsian symposium, which they did a wonderful job of. I think that isactually, I think five years is November of this year. I've spoken to Jon a few times. So we're changingone by one, we're changing the buildings. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So I went to the director's office, and there's a glass door. And I remember having some words with Mr. Lewis about his mud horse. So that's where, obviously, you know, this is coming to the end of the period when I thought that it was practical to buy these things. I thought for sure this is someyes, this is some Renaissance, you know, late Renaissance thing, or even early Baroque thing, that, you know, is amazing. One is an Adoration of the Magi, and one is The Taking of Christ, so I have sort of the beginning of the story and the end of the story [laughs], which I'm very excited about. There were definitelyit would definitelyI mean, there are still major goals that are unachieved thatyou know, there's a whole list, yes, and there are some with highlighting, some without, some that are possible, some that are not. So for the average buyer, philosophically thinking about that, they think, Okay, well, I'm going to sell this, and I'm not going to pay a commission. Anyway, so I asked about the price of that, and I think it was 765,000, which was actually attainable for me. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. JUDITH RICHARDS: The institution was open; it was just closed because they didn't guard it? CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes. It was [Carlo] Maratti. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It was a perfect, you know, confluence of interest at the moment. JUDITH RICHARDS: And have you spoken to other contemporary artists who look back to various aspects of the Old Masters as inspiration? [Laughs.] It's a temple. And you know, for me, when I go back and look at them later, I can laugh at myself, you know. [00:28:03], JUDITH RICHARDS: Was your business background also important to them? No, no. Yeah, about a year. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes. You know, you can only do so much of it; otherwise, you have a saccharine high. No, no, no. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And, you know, I visit English country homes now with Agnew's all the time, and I see these panel paintings that have been hanging in the same spot for 350 or 400 years, CLIFFORD SCHORER: And they're in good shape, because the English climate is very humid. JUDITH RICHARDS: And you spent four years there? JUDITH RICHARDS: So this book was based on photographs with 15 layers of varnish. [00:25:59]. JUDITH RICHARDS: Did you ever buy them in the mail, like kids did? And all, you know, Hungarian and Germanit was mostlyhis world was primarily German, Austro-Hungarian, and all the occupied territories from the First and Second World War. So I guess there were 300 Corporators, and I forget, but it wasI had one term as Corporator, and then I was on the board, and then I was president. CLIFFORD SCHORER: You know, I mean, I love lending things, and I have a lot of things on loan, and I would like to do more of that. These are salient works in, you know, in the catalogue, and these are works that the gallery had a historical involvement with in the 19th century. Eagle Head,Manchester, Massachusetts (High Tide), 1870 Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York City The Herring Net, 1885 Art Institute of Chicago Winslow Homer is undoubtedly one of the foremost artists of the United States in the 19th century. You know, they had the large office. So, yes, I've had, over the years, to send things to the art museum or to conservators or to other places to get them out of my house. So for them to have, you know, something that is at that levelI mean, compared to broken pieces of pots, which is what the rest of the museum was, you know, broken fragments of pots and maybe some rings. I mean, it's. Ry * STREET LIST MANSFIELD, I mean, it was something I enjoyed doing, and I would do it again, you know? So I joined that, which was a lot of fun. It got out of hand, and I made a concerted effort to say, you know, "I have to scale this down, because if I fall down dead tomorrow, someone's going to have, you know, I would say, a William Randolph Hearst-scale cleanup to do. So there wasn't alwaysthere was this idea that they werethey must have been from one commission, because they were the same size, but there was not a full knowledge of what this commission was until at least the last decade, when all these pieces came together. There's one area I meant to touch on, and that is the competition, the relatively recent change, as you talked about the auction houses becoming retail and directly competing with galleries, even though galleries offer this tremendous educational service. The name is the same, unfortunately, so people know who it is. [00:24:00]. You know, I've managed to find what is sort of seeded in the ground between Washington, D.C., and Boston, and Maine, you know, driving around like crazy every time there's an auction. It was a long process of, you know, installing and reinstalling, and eventually it became a show house of 120 Old Master paintings, and you know, all theit's sort of the progression of my collecting from beginning to end. And, you know, obviously, Bill Viola was looking at the Old Masters and thinking aboutyou know, he says as much in his own words. You want toyou want to sort ofyou know, you want to have a completely catalogued collection, with every example of, you know, canceled, non-cancelled. I've also had some crazy requests that I won't honor, you know, museums in France that want to do awant to recreate the human digestive system, and they want toyou know, they want to have thisI have a painting by [Pieter] Huys, H-U-Y-S, and it's ait's this screaming woman. And the Chinese think less about that as deceit than we do. I mean, it's not a viewing area; it's not a formalI mean, it, you know. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes, I mean, I don't keep much at home in London. If there's anything that somebodyI mean, two weeks from now in San Francisco, two big Pre-Raphaelite paintings will be in their Pre-Raphaelite show [Truth and Beauty: The Pre-Raphaelites and the Old Masters, Legion of Honor Museum, San Francisco]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Professor [Ernest] Wiggins. I mean, you know, we have aboutI'm trying to remember how many photographs there are. That's your real risk. So that'syou know, the reality is though, that that painting will never come my way, so I have toto go back to this question, has my philosophy about this changed in the course of it? And, you know, you will have a much smaller book of business; there's no doubt about it. Do you havedo you maintain storage? You know. [They laugh.] I mean, it was never conceived. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes, I mean, it's interesting because I came to the art world as such a sort of soliloquy, I did not reallyyou know, I didn't have people to talk to about that sort of thing. JUDITH RICHARDS: Just to ask a couple of basic general questions. How can they possibly have a Piero di Cosimo in Worcester? And they're like, "Come on, please," you know, "it's important people know that, you know, the board is giving." CLIFFORD SCHORER: That was based on opportunism, because some of the greatestsix of the greatest Pre-Raphaelite paintings ever made were available to us at that moment. JUDITH RICHARDS: So you're relying on people in the field, aren't you? I said, "Well, what does that mean, 'involved'?" CLIFFORD SCHORER: Spent one year there. [00:04:00], JUDITH RICHARDS: Which, if there's one person. So those private collectors often didn't have professionalother than dealers and advisers that were outside of their, you know, home, they didn't have in-house curators who made, you know, art historical decisions or collecting decisions. So, yeah. So, you know, that was where my role was. JUDITH RICHARDS: So I'm thinking of 20th century. Just a sense of [laughs], CLIFFORD SCHORER: Oh, in a way. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Or related to artists that are interesting to me. But anyway, no, I mean, you know, it was the good old days. And also, my grandparents wanted me to be a child. And I said, you know, "Thanks for that." JUDITH RICHARDS: Do you see yourself or the gallery having a role as a mentor towell, yourself as a mentor to younger collectors and the gallery for its own interests to expandto grow a new generation of clients? CLIFFORD SCHORER: Ruth Payntar, P-A-Y-N-T-A-R. And on my father's side, both parents were living. JUDITH RICHARDS: Do you speak to art historians who have. Massachusetts native Clifford Schorer said the painting was used as security for a loan he made to Selina Varney (now Rendall) and that he was now entitled to it, the Blake family having failed to make a claim in a US court. JUDITH RICHARDS: Could anything be done? JUDITH RICHARDS: What's the professor's name? Hasyou've talked about a lot of traveling to discover, to see things that you were going to see, destinations. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Because the people I knew [laughs] when I was 17 were 60. JUDITH RICHARDS: Was that coincidence that you ran into them? She just, actually, sold one of my earliest acquisitions to one of her collectors because, you know, now I'm not so focused on that. [00:26:00]. JUDITH RICHARDS: Does Agnew's participate in art fairs? I mean, it wasn't really, JUDITH RICHARDS: You mean give up all your other. But, you know, the other trip that really comes to mind recentlyand, again, it's in a totally unrelated field. My grandfather, who was a very technical manvery poorly educated, but a very technical manhe could take apart any machine and put it back together. CLIFFORD SCHORER: But I think, in the past, they've been pretty good in the most important areas. Some cruder examples of earlier things from Han. So I didn't go back. Just to pick up a little bit from where we left off yesterday, this is still before Agnew's enters the picturein the earlyinaroundso you're collecting Italian Baroque, as you described it yesterday. Have they always been. CLIFFORD SCHORER: You know, why does this woman look like a skeleton? She's always willing to take a phone call from an annoying person like me. I mean, I would call Frederick Ilchman; I would call somebody, and I would say, "Who should I talk to about this person?" CLIFFORD SCHORER: Sobut anyway, I mean, it's. Was it something you had been looking for as an opportunity? [00:38:00]. JUDITH RICHARDS: So was your contribution focused on that installation and maintaining that object and any other objects you might, CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's very complicated, but basically, JUDITH RICHARDS: Well, you don't need to. Winslow Homer. It wasit was a vestige of youth. I mean, if someone told me, every year, I'm going to buy one great Dutch picture, I'd say, Well, that's a fool's philosophy in terms of collecting. So it was very depressing. 750 9th Street, NW I said, you know, "They found it in 2004." And, you know, when the euro was new. No, no, theyI mean, but they did have goodthey had the head of Unum Provident Insurance. My grandfather's collectionmy great-grandfather's collectionwas in the millions of stamps. When you're dealing with loans, and physically, the reality of the question, do you employ a registrar or an art handler or anyone like that? You mentioned that. So we had a five-yearwe had our five-year sort of anniversary. I think that they're, shall we say, more demanding of one's time, so you have to be available for them, and you have to work with them more individually. Winslow Homer (1836 - 1910) was a remarkable American painter who mastered several mediums, including oils and watercolors. CLIFFORD SCHORER: But I think that, in a wayyou know, buying the Cezanne, for example; that's not a picture I would buy for my own collection, but it's a wonderful picture to tell an important art historical story, that if Agnew's can tell it really well, then someone may respond and want the Cezanne, or someone may simply want the Cezanne because they want the Cezanne. 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